i guess it will be apple tv. >> apple tv is a logical extension of the largest screen that the ipad was, and bringing apps to the tv environment what everyone is trying to do. >> but they have a tv product. i have one at home. $99. a little black pox. >> it's not the real tv. >> why buy a $2,000 actual physical television when for 99 bucks i convert my physical television. >> today it doesn't have the one thing that made the iphone take off, which is applications. it was at revolution that really took off, what people could do from a personal assistant, games, entertainment and a corporate standpoint. >> dan, do you hear any chatter out there? >> we heard about channel checks, things around. this is probably a year and a half ago, two years ago. is there anything you've heard that gives you any sense that there's something coming. >> so i attempt not to recommend stocks based on chatter. what i would invest in investing in apple is a track record, a team. phenomenal balance sheet. they spend a lot on r&d. you can't predict what the next will be. everyone said tablets will never work. no